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Finding RAM and HDD speed without a software

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In a laptops store where it's not possible to install programs like "cpu-z", How to find: 1> RAM SPEED in MHZ eg (800,1333,1600,1866) 2> HDD SPEED in RPM eg(5400,7200) without asking anyone, they may lie, or they don't know. the laptop may have windows 7 or 8 home version probably. (the 1 that comes with new laptops) For multiple brands (hp,dell,Toshiba,,,,)

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